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School Bag

Strych9
Graduate Student (age 38)
Colorado
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Previously I posted only what I carry on my person at [basically] all times. This is the bag I actually carry to school plus the stuff on my waist. Since I'm carrying 20+lbs of books and a laptop I don't mind the extra 20.85oz for the medical kit. The rest of the stuff adds perhaps two pounds. It's not noticeable when the bag is loaded up for school.

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J.S. Leonard ·
What school allows concealed carry on campus by students??? If they do that's EPIC.
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Jacob Allen ·
I'd guess that his school doesn't allow it, but that's what is nice about unconstitutional rules, they're almost impossible to enforce. The catalyst that made me start carrying was my work posting anti-gun signs.
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J.S. Leonard ·
Wrong! Extremely enforceable and with dire consequences. The 2nd doesn't say we can carry anywhere we wish. Courtrooms, schools, Government Buildings etc... Anti-guns signs and State and Federal law are two entirely things. What you're suggesting is unreasonable and illegal. In extremely pro 2nd but do so responsibly and legally.
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aaron ·
Face palm....
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Jacob Allen ·
I understand what you mean about fed laws, but for me, it is my duty as an American to disobey any law that violates the constitution or my god given rights. Although you are correct that there can be serious consequences to being a man of Liberty.
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J.S. Leonard ·
Again you need to read the language it is written in. "In 2013, at least 19 states introduced legislation to allow concealed carry on campus in some regard and in the 2014 legislative session, at least 14 states introduced similar legislation. In 2013, two bills passed, one in Kansas that allows concelaed carry generally and one in Arkansas that allows faculty to carry. The Kansas legislation creates a provision that colleges and universities cannot prohibit concealed carry unless a building has "adequate security measures." Governing boards of the institutions, however, may still request an exemption to prohibit for up to 4 years. " It or the law never says yes 100% you can carry on campus. They all say in SOME REGARD. Meaning that students could have a firearm in their vehicle but not while out and about campus or in classrooms or that only faculty can have a weapon but only if certain criteria are met first. I was a LEO in my past life and people like you we arrested all the time because you try to circumvent the law in some way. Be a responsible gun owner and learn the laws to the fullest. Not what you think you see between the lines. A jail or prison cell could be in your future if not.
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J.S. Leonard ·
As for Utah. They have crazy carry laws. "The following categories of individuals are prohibited under law from obtaining a concealed carry permit in Utah: Those under the age of 21; convicted felons; those convicted of any crime of violence (e.g., interference with a police officer, fleeing, resisting arrest, failure to obey a police officer, and obstruction of justice); those convicted of any offense involving the use of alcohol; those convicted of the unlawful use of narcotics or other controlled substances; those convicted of any offense involving moral turpitude (e.g., theft, fraud, tax evasion, issuing bad checks, robbery, bribery, perjury, extortion, arson, criminal mischief, falsifying government records, forgery, receiving stolen property, firearms violations, burglary, vandalism, kidnapping, sexual assault, sexual exploitation of a child, bigamy, incest, adultery, fornication, prostitution, indecent exposure, public urination, and violations of the pornographic and harmful materials and performances act); those convicted of any offense involving domestic violence, and; those adjudicated as “mentally incompetent.” So only 4 tear students (21) who have a squeaky clean record that have a CCP from Utah or AL, AK, CO, FL, GA, LA, MS, NC, ND, NH, OH, SD, TX, VA, WA, and WV can carry on campus.
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Jacob Allen ·
Strych9, I apologize for instigating this debate on your post.
J.S., I disagree with your interpretation of "shall not be infringed", but I respect your decision to blindly obey all laws.
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J.S. Leonard ·
Not directed at you Aaron. Just the discussion in general.
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Strych9 ·
Jacob:

No worries. State laws vary enormously on this topic. As long as no one here starts throwing around invective I welcome the discussion.
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aaron ·
None taken...the face palm was directed at my continued astonishment by 2nd amendment cherry pickers...or the interpretation of "as well as a regulated militia"...campus and business are private property..period. this is why you spend the course law time as well as course range time...
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aaron ·
You mean the same law that protects your right to have a gun in the first place? Having a limited understanding of the 2nd amendment and cherry picking the narrative to suite your rationalization doesn't make you a patriot, it makes you a tool. The 2nd amendment and the articles of the Constitution were specifically written in conjunction with state militia laws, (which I strongly suggest you study), and the respect of private property. To make it simple, if I invite you into my home, and my wife asks you to secure your weapon before entering the premises, you would have no legal protection under the 2nd should you choose not to do so, and would be subject to armed criminal trespass. The same thing is applicable to private business. If you work somewhere that has a verbal or written statement/policy that prohibits any type of weapon, you have one of three choices...violate said policy as you've stated and face termination and criminal charges, (a felony in fact, which if convicted, would definitely impede your right to carry at all..), follow said policy, legally and secure your weapon, or seek different employment. To assume that you/we have a constitutional protection under the second to carry wherever we choose is absurdly wrong, we quite simply don't. To violate that, willfully, is not patriotic, it's sedition. To suggest that myself or Mr Leanord, oath sworn 3%'ers, have somehow subjugated ourselves by conducting ourselves as responsible armed citizens who have sworn oaths to protect that document from all enemies, foreign and domestic, is willfully obtuse and incredibly stupid. You quite simply are not protected by the 2nd to carry any weapon wherever you choose, wherein federal, state or local law expressly prohibit it, and that, in no way shape or form is an infringement of that right. You are playing a dangerous game, one with dire consequences..I strongly suggest that you study the scope of the law that you're so eager to flaunt before it's too late.
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aaron ·
Cognitive dissonance is a real thing...
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Jacob Allen ·
My apologies Aaron. I will take your comments to heart and work to educate myself. I agree with you about private property. I didn't mean to condone putting ones own rights above another's. I do still think bans at public property are wrong, but that may be due to my lack of knowledge on the subject. I welcome any reading suggestions that might educate me.
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Strych9 ·
Aaron:

Generally speaking I would agree and support private property rights. However, I have a couple of points here.

First, what type of violation of law ignoring a GFZ is varies from state to state. In some states those signs don't mean anything. Colorado is one of those states. Here, as in your example using your wife, unless the weapon was brandished or something else went down the only crime is simple trespass for coming on to your property under circumstances you don't want/didn't invite.

Secondly, we don't have actual private property rights for two reasons. First, taxes prove you don't actually own your property. Secondly, as recent cases have shown: when you hang out your shingle to do business with the public you cannot discriminate. The recent cases involving openly homosexual people are basically the same as open carry. You're choosing to wear your lifestyle on your sleeve. In the one case, homosexuality, it's illegal to discriminate. In the case of guns it is. That's called a double standard but that's not the point. The point is that the government can force you to not only allow those people on your property but also force you do to business with them. If the government can do that, which it has, then private property rights in terms of a business are dead as dead can be.

Finally, willfully ignoring a GFZ while carrying concealed is most certainly not sedition. Sedition is "conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.". That cannot possibly apply to conduct that people don't know you're engaged in because what they don't know you're doing can't incite them to rebellious conduct.
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Jacob Allen ·
That leans towards what I was attempting to communicate. I don't think the concept of rebellion should have a knee jerk negative reaction. The catalyst that formed this country was rebellion. The other side of that, which I alluded to with my rude comment about blindly obeying laws, is that laws can be wrong. Think Jim Crow or prohibition. And to that idea of blindly obeying the law or following orders, Most of the world's atrocities are not done by evil men, but by ordinary men just following orders. Not trying to insult or incite, just trying to encourage thought. I doubt God will accept the excuse of, "he told me to".
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Strych9 ·
Campus carry is legal in a number of states, eight I believe. I happen to be in Colorado where it's legal. I'm not going to tell you exactly what school because I do have to deal with liberals and I don't need them figuring out who I am and following me around in protest.
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J.S. Leonard ·
Not sure? Every Colorado 4 year school I looked up stated on it's website "Weapons and Explosives are prohibited. This waiver is voluntary, in exchange for living and dining in CSU facilities, and applies to all students, even if they have a lawful permit to carry a concealed firearm pursuant to C.R.S. 18-12-201 et".
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Strych9 ·
When you don't live on campus, which I don't, it doesn't matter.

GFZ's in Colorado are unenforceable unless they have a security checkpoint that uses a magnetometer. Failing that they can ask you to leave and ditch the gun if they catch you but that's it.

In fact, those signs don't matter for people who do live on campus as long as the school doesn't get wind of the fact that they have a gun. If the school does get wind all they can do is ask you to get rid of the weapon. If you refuse they can have you cited for trespass. Worst case that's a minor fine. They can't take your permit from you unless you break the rules at a place with the previously discussed check point. Basically that means courthouses and major sporting events.
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J.S. Leonard ·
A song as you live and eat/don't visit dining facilities or any other place the campus deems off limits you can carry. The question isn't if you can but the ramifications of if you get caught or the Gods forbid you have to use said weapon.
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aaron ·
Freudian slip?
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Strych9 ·
Under Colorado law it doesn't matter what the school deems off limits unless they have a security checkpoint for that location. Now, I don't eat their crappy food but if I did, and they posted a sign saying that the dining facility was off limits then, without a checkpoint, the most that could happen is that they could ask me to leave IF they caught me. If I were to refuse to leave they could have me charged with simple trespass.

As liberal as Colorado is they are shockingly friendly about this topic.
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